On 29.09.2024 02:44, Mro wrote to Knightmare:

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Re: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: KnightMare to MRO on Sat Sep 28 2024 04:24 pm

Re: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to nelgin on Wed Sep 25 2024 07:10 am

vpses suck. I tried them for years. it's hard to find a good provider
and the ones i've seen bbs people use are a rip off.
I prefer a dedicated server. i use ovh.

So have I and like you, i don't like them for one reason or another.

I'm rocking 2 Dell PowerEdge R610's running 17 VM's w/o a burp.
(Of course, now I may have jinxd it by typing that...)

My ISP is Glo Fiber. I'm getting 1.2Gb/s both ways.

i recommend staying away from sites like lowendbox and getting a dedicated server with a reputable company. split the cost with friends.

If you're in it for the long haul, I highly recommend this.
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Hello

I can only speak for germany

The disadvantage here in Germany is simply that renting servers, which also have
a large storage capacity, is simply unaffordable! If I only have a ÿmanageableÿ
database, it is of course cheaper. That's what I did with my BBS forum and rented
a server ($28/month). But with a BBS with a large file base it is unaffordable.

Greetings

Mike


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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Wed Oct 02 2024 08:05 am

Hello

I can only speak for germany

The disadvantage here in Germany is simply that renting servers, which also have
a large storage capacity, is simply unaffordable! If I only have a manageable database, it is of course cheaper. That's what I did with my BBS forum and rented
a server ($28/month). But with a BBS with a large file base it is unaffordable.

Greetings

you have hetzner over there which is pretty cheap. they also have
specials.
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On 02.10.2024 11:40, Mro wrote to Mike:

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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Wed Oct 02 2024 08:05 am

Hello

I can only speak for germany

The disadvantage here in Germany is simply that renting servers, which also
have
a large storage capacity, is simply unaffordable! If I only have a manageable database, it is of course cheaper. That's what I did with my BBS
forum and rented
a server ($28/month). But with a BBS with a large file base it is unaffordable.

Greetings

you have hetzner over there which is pretty cheap. they also have
specials.
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Hi Mro

Took a look on it.. (Hetzner)

Hm... 125 bucks/Month for "only" 22 TByte sounds not really cheap for me.

But thank you for your notice.

Mike

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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Thu Oct 03 2024 08:09 am

On 02.10.2024 11:40, Mro wrote to Mike:

have
a large storage capacity, is simply unaffordable! If I only have a manageable database, it is of course cheaper. That's what I did with my BBS
forum and rented
a server ($28/month). But with a BBS with a large file base it is unaffordable.

Greetings

you have hetzner over there which is pretty cheap. they also have specials.

Took a look on it.. (Hetzner)

Hm... 125 bucks/Month for "only" 22 TByte sounds not really cheap for me.

But thank you for your notice.

22 tbyte of what?

39 euros:

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48 euros:

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so what were you looking at. i'm looking at the server auctions.
those are pretty good prices for dedicated servers.

you seriously want 22tb of space and you think that much money you said is too much?


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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to Mike on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:53 am

so what were you looking at. i'm looking at the server auctions.
those are pretty good prices for dedicated servers.

you seriously want 22tb of space and you think that much money you said is

btw, 74 euros for 16tb

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On 03.10.2024 12:03, Mro wrote to Mike:

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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to Mike on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:53 am

so what were you looking at. i'm looking at the server auctions.
those are pretty good prices for dedicated servers.

you seriously want 22tb of space and you think that much money you said is

btw, 74 euros for 16tb

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Hi Mro

Look....

I've got here (at home) my BBS Server... and explain why.. (the topic here)

We could only compare apples with apples (I hope you are with me)?

Actually my BBS run with a I7 9700K, 64 GByte and a Geforce 1060,
because I use 4 27" Monitors with it.

C: is a 1 TByte M2 SSD
D: - F: are 20 TByte HDD's
G: and H: are 2 TByte HDD's and will be exchanged soon to 20 TByte HDD's, too. I: is a SATA SSD with 2 TByte, working as a backup drive for C:

Backup strategy for drives D: - F: isn't even listed yet.

So.. "if" I try to get something "same" or nearly same at Hetzner.. and I hope you
are with me again.. the prize would be surely 150 and more bucks each month. And I just wanted to explain that my configuration here, if I rent it from a provider,
is quite expensive on a monthly basis, as ongoing costs for a hobby! Of course, if
I wanna choose a smaller size of space, ex. Type EX 44 I'm at 116,- Euro's each month,
with 2 x 22TByte Drives. Windows Server (Software) not included. As I see.. 52 bucks...

And that is my "personal reason" for running the BBS here at home.

I hope you're okay with it how I've described it now?

Greetings

Mike


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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Fri Oct 04 2024 03:41 am

And that is my "personal reason" for running the BBS here at home.

I hope you're okay with it how I've described it now?

Greetings

i thought you were looking to get a dedicated server from a provider, not wagging your dick about what you have at home. and why the hell do you have 4 27 inch displays for your bbs? that's just retarded.


in this day and age it's just stupid to run a bbs at home.
and you dont need tons of files, just like you dont have to have tons of doorgames. hell, we don't even have users anymore.
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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to Mike on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:36 pm

in this day and age it's just stupid to run a bbs at home.

If you're going to run a BBS, I think runnig it from home is the more nostalic way to do it. So that what I do. I don't think it's any more stupid than running a BBS on a rented server.
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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:10 pm

in this day and age it's just stupid to run a bbs at home.

If you're going to run a BBS, I think runnig it from home is the more nostalic way to do it. So that what I do. I don't think it's any more stupid than running a BBS on a rented server.

Yeah haha, no need to divide a community of 20 people in this manner.

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On 03.10.2024 23:41, Mro wrote to Mike:

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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Fri Oct 04 2024 03:41 am

And that is my "personal reason" for running the BBS here at home.

I hope you're okay with it how I've described it now?

Greetings

i thought you were looking to get a dedicated server from a provider, not wagging your dick about what you have at home. and why the hell do you have 4
27 inch displays for your bbs? that's just retarded.

in this day and age it's just stupid to run a bbs at home.
and you dont need tons of files, just like you dont have to have tons of doorgames. hell, we don't even have users anymore.
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Nope Mro

I don't looking for a dedicated server. Maybe it's my "fault" to explain, why I'm
running my BBS at my home (the topic!!). It has nothing to do with "my dick is bigger"!
Only why it is to expensive for me to go this way (external Hoster).

And it's very nice, kind and funny for me also, too that others are telling me, what I
have to do or in which way I have to do my (our) hobby!!! I don't do this for others!
I do it for myself at first! If others share this hobby with me, super. If not..
It's OK for me, too! By the way, the same applies to my BBS forum! Same reason! I love this hobby very much, regardless of whether others share this/my enthusiasm
about that with me! But if they share this hobby/experience/enthusiasm etc., for me, everything comes full circle and we can all share our beloved hobby and have fun with
it hopefully for the next years!

But maybe.. and I could really be, you misunderstood my posting here completely
wrong? Last words from me about writing/posting in any nets here. If nobody will
write, nets going down and getting dead. But if somebody write to a topic, he/she/it
becomes a "nice" feedback. Maybe one has something to do with the other? Diversity
and different opinions on a topic should simply be part of a democratic world!

I wish you a nice day Mro!

Mike




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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:10 pm

Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to Mike on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:36 pm

in this day and age it's just stupid to run a bbs at home.

If you're going to run a BBS, I think runnig it from home is the more nostalic way to do it. So that what I do. I don't think it's any more stupid than running a BBS on a rented server.

i don't play into that nostalgia stuff.
Things are SO much different than when we were running bbses over our phone lines. There is no comparison. We are still using ansi and we still have doorgames. Everything is so much different. What we run and how we run it. The people are different. How we interact is different.

I should have refrased my statement more carefully, though. if you are truly serving up 20+ tb of files you are essentially a content delivery source you should have the muscle and the bw to handle it, something that a dedicated server on a reputable provider can deliver.

I wouldn't run a bbs at home anymore because I like to have it out of house, I don't want to share my connection with it. In my case i use my servers for other things as well.
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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: The Lizard Master to Digital Man on Fri Oct 04 2024 03:32 am

Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Oct 03 2024 11:10 pm

in this day and age it's just stupid to run a bbs at home.

If you're going to run a BBS, I think runnig it from home is the more nostalic way to do it. So that what I do. I don't think it's any more stupid than running a BBS on a rented server.

Yeah haha, no need to divide a community of 20 people in this manner.

we have more people who joined?
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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Fri Oct 04 2024 01:06 pm

Nope Mro

I don't looking for a dedicated server. Maybe it's my "fault" to explain, why I'm

oh i was talking about it and you hopped in and mentioned you looked.

running my BBS at my home (the topic!!). It has nothing to do with "my dick is bigger"!
Only why it is to expensive for me to go this way (external Hoster).

yeah but it's better. and you could share the cost with friends.

have to do or in which way I have to do my (our) hobby!!! I don't do this for others!
I do it for myself at first! If others share this hobby with me, super. If

"I do this for myself" are famous last words of a sysop.
the other one is "there are no callers and I have no time for this anymore"

Diversity
and different opinions on a topic should simply be part of a democratic world!

you have a right to your own opinion.
but if you are truly serving up 22tb of files and running all these services it would be better for everyone to run it on a dedicated server with a good provider. maybe you are biting off more than you can chew. I never heard of
your bbs or your forum so maybe it's still in its infant stage.

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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to Mike on Fri Oct 04 2024 12:21 pm

you have a right to your own opinion.
but if you are truly serving up 22tb of files and running all these services it would be better for everyone to run it on a dedicated server with a good provider. maybe you are biting off more than you can chew. I never heard of your bbs or your forum so maybe it's still in its infant stage.

another thing is that i think our ability to communicate in todays age has degraded. i say these things, not because i pull them out of my ass, I have been that idiot and ran services for a lot of people at home. i've dealt with poor service providers and I've made a lot of mistakes over the decades.

I've learned there's better ways to do things by trial and error and failing and spending and losing money.
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On 04.10.2024 12:26, Mro wrote to Mike:

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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Fri Oct 04 2024 01:06 pm

Nope Mro

I don't looking for a dedicated server. Maybe it's my "fault" to explain, why I'm

oh i was talking about it and you hopped in and mentioned you looked.

Looking for something doesn't mean, that you plan to rent/buy it Mro!
You've said, that they (Hetzner) would have cheap actions. So I looked
on their prizes. Not more...

running my BBS at my home (the topic!!). It has nothing to do with "my dick
is bigger"!
Only why it is to expensive for me to go this way (external Hoster).

yeah but it's better. and you could share the cost with friends.

Nobody will share any costs for that hobby. And on the other side...
I should be my "baby".

have to do or in which way I have to do my (our) hobby!!! I don't do this for others!
I do it for myself at first! If others share this hobby with me, super. If

"I do this for myself" are famous last words of a sysop.
the other one is "there are no callers and I have no time for this anymore"

It's ok and your decicion. For me it stays as a hobby. Other ones are going fishing
and came back with nothing. Next time they go fishing again....

For me it's a kind of relaxation and at the same time I enjoy getting things working
or designing the website differently. Trying to learn things, that I've not used before!
BBS'ing in the 2020's is different, because in the early 90's it won't exist in that way!
Nice ex. ==> Web Design.. only one of this.... This is also something I have to learn..

Diversity
and different opinions on a topic should simply be part of a democratic world!

you have a right to your own opinion.
but if you are truly serving up 22tb of files and running all these services it
would be better for everyone to run it on a dedicated server with a good provider. maybe you are biting off more than you can chew. I never heard of
your bbs or your forum so maybe it's still in its infant stage.

Thank you very much Mro, that I have the right of my own decicion! But I don't know
if it's really better on a server from a provider! I have everything here at home and like
it in that way (hello Rob :-) ).

Yep.. I've made only a small promoting of my BBS forum. And I think, you've made already
a feedback to this in April or May. And guess... not really positiv! But it's ok for me....
I still think that the forum is a good thing to bring sysops from the various BBS's
together again! And the forum offers all things, that Facebook/Reddit/Discord and and and
offers, too. With one difference. It is privately operated and the data stays there!
And it is also completely free for users. I do not pursue any financial interests.
The topic is just important to me!

And to the BBS. I will present a good working, good structured and good designed result
if I promote my BBS. And I have a "finished BBS" in my brain. So if this isn't achieved in
my opinion, there is no point in promoting it in my eyes. The same reason for not
promoting my BBS last year, this year and maybe next year, too. Remember... I do this
as a hobby and primarily for me.... If you believe it, or not!

Mike

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On 03 Oct 2024, MRO exclaimed the following...

Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: Mike to Mro on Fri Oct 04 2024 03:41 am
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doorgames. hell, we don't even have users anymore.

LOL. Ya got that right.

Mick Manning
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Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...
By: MRO to Mike on Fri Oct 04 2024 12:21 pm

Re: RE: Good reason not to run a BBS at home...

I like running my BBS(es) at home. Been doing it since 1984. Of course they are very different now than they were then. Then, I only ran 1 Atari 8-bit BBS on several floppy drives (and eventually a 5 mb hard disk (wow)).

It's my hobby and I kinda like it...

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On 06 Oct 2024, Bf2k+ exclaimed the following...

I like running my BBS(es) at home. Been doing it since 1984. Of course they are very different now than they were then. Then, I only ran 1
Atari 8-bit BBS on several floppy drives (and eventually a 5 mb hard
disk (wow)).

Warms my heart. I had the same kind of setup although a Commodore 64 with 3 X 1541 drives (floppies) :-)
The difference was that back then, mostly people within your personal areacode called you, and today, you're available to the whole world and nobody calls. <grin>

Mick Manning
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Mickey wrote to Bf2k+ <=-

Warms my heart. I had the same kind of setup although a Commodore 64
with 3 X 1541 drives (floppies) :-) The difference was that back then, mostly people within your personal areacode called you, and today,
you're available to the whole world and nobody calls. <grin>

I saw Pure Nihilism BBS running on an Apple II, and was watching the
screen as someone entered a message. I noticed that when the caller
saved a message, it automatically deleted a message to make room. I
think he had something like 300 messages on the board at the time.

My, how things have changed.



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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: Mickey to Bf2k+ on Mon Oct 07 2024 07:24 pm

Warms my heart. I had the same kind of setup although a Commodore 64 with 3 X 1541 drives (floppies) :-)
The difference was that back then, mostly people within your personal areacode called you, and today, you're available to the whole world and nobody calls. <grin>

i think a lot of people have forgotten that the local aspect is what made bbsing great. a lot of sysops in today's age are blind to that.
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On 08 Oct 2024, poindexter FORTRAN exclaimed the following...

I saw Pure Nihilism BBS running on an Apple II, and was watching the screen as someone entered a message. I noticed that when the caller
saved a message, it automatically deleted a message to make room. I
think he had something like 300 messages on the board at the time.

So the first message got Nihilated? :-) Go Figure.

Mick Manning
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On 08 Oct 2024, MRO exclaimed the following...

i think a lot of people have forgotten that the local aspect is what made bbsing great. a lot of sysops in today's age are blind to that.
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The last few years that I ran a BBS was on an Amiga 2500 that had a 20 meg HD inside. Fairly distant locals became real locals. It was a big deal. I was invited out to Commodore meetings to discuss BBS's with everyone.

Mick Manning
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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: MRO to Mickey on Tue Oct 08 2024 02:00 pm

i think a lot of people have forgotten that the local aspect is what made bbsing great. a lot of sysops in today's age are blind to that.

Strangely enough... when I was running the Atari 8bit BBS (1984-87), I had about 75% callers from long distance. I know why but refuse to comment on the grounds... etc etc.

When I switched over to a PC (FidoNet), the caller ratio switched to 75% locals...

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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: MRO to Mickey on Tue Oct 08 2024 02:00 pm

That's the truth! I ran BBSs from 93-97. In 1996 I offered dial-up internet service.
If we called out to a BBS that was long distance we had to cut it real short, and it was always a nice surprise to receive a LD user.

-StingRay
A-Net Online
a-net-online.lol

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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: Mickey to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 08 2024 07:18 pm

On 08 Oct 2024, poindexter FORTRAN exclaimed the following...

I saw Pure Nihilism BBS running on an Apple II, and was watching the screen as someone entered a message. I noticed that when the caller saved a message, it automatically deleted a message to make room. I think he had something like 300 messages on the board at the time.

So the first message got Nihilated? :-) Go Figure.

Mick Manning

hahaaaa
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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: Mickey to MRO on Tue Oct 08 2024 07:24 pm

i think a lot of people have forgotten that the local aspect is what made bbsing great. a lot of sysops in today's age are blind to that. ---

The last few years that I ran a BBS was on an Amiga 2500 that had a 20 meg HD inside. Fairly distant locals became real locals. It was a big deal. I was invited out to Commodore meetings to discuss BBS's with everyone.

yeah i met some great people and we were friends for a long time, but they moved away and we lost touch.

i tried to reconnect with a few but they got weird.
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On 08 Oct 2024, Bf2k+ exclaimed the following...

Strangely enough... when I was running the Atari 8bit BBS (1984-87), I
had about 75% callers from long distance. I know why but refuse to comment on the grounds... etc etc.

Atari software treasure I'd imagine or . . . porn. :-)

Mick Manning
@ Mick's Place
centralontarioremote.net:23

... Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker?

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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: Mickey to Bf2k+ on Wed Oct 09 2024 19:11:00

Atari software treasure I'd imagine or . . . porn. :-)

Gotta love those 8 bit square boobies that took 12 hours to download.
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kk4qbn wrote to Mickey <=-

Gotta love those 8 bit square boobies that took 12 hours to download.

I worked at the company that developed Tomb Raider. It was odd working
for a company where you could have scantilly-clad women on your PC
background, as long as it was Lara Croft. PS1 era Lara was pretty
polygon sparse, if you know what I'm saying.

I was so pissed that they couldn't get it together enough to tie the
game into the movie and get a release out to coincide with the movie
release.



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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: poindexter FORTRAN to kk4qbn on Thu Oct 10 2024 07:16 am

I worked at the company that developed Tomb Raider. It was odd working for a company where you could have scantilly-clad women on your PC background, as long as it was Lara Croft. PS1 era Lara was pretty polygon sparse, if you know what I'm saying.

I was so pissed that they couldn't get it together enough to tie the game into the movie and get a release out to coincide with the movie release.

I never played those games, but one thing I'm sometimes reminded of is that when I visited Germany and Switzerland in 1998, there was a German song on the radio at the time called M„nner sind Schweine ("Men are pigs" in English; by Die Žrtze), and the music video featured Lara Croft.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: Mickey to Bf2k+ on Wed Oct 09 2024 07:11 pm

On 08 Oct 2024, Bf2k+ exclaimed the following...

Strangely enough... when I was running the Atari 8bit BBS (1984-87), I had about 75% callers from long distance. I know why but refuse to comment on the grounds... etc etc.

Atari software treasure I'd imagine or . . . porn. :-)

No comment ;)

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Re: Re: Good reason not to ru
By: kk4qbn to Mickey on Wed Oct 09 2024 10:01 pm

Gotta love those 8 bit square boobie
that took 12 hours to download.

My friend and I looking at a pic
downloaded on my XT w/ CGA back in the
day:

Him: "Is that a dick or a tit?"
Me: "That's his mouth..."

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